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although Priceless was a blast and many things were great, we want your help identifying what we can do better next time around.
we know there are details we missed-- did you notice anything that would have enriched your experience? were there any big hassles or glaring errors? annoyances, inconveniences, or inefficiencies? 2% sub-optimalities.
if you can, please be specific. thanks for the help and insight, and thanks again for coming. we’ll be seeing you soon.
we know there are details we missed-- did you notice anything that would have enriched your experience? were there any big hassles or glaring errors? annoyances, inconveniences, or inefficiencies? 2% sub-optimalities.
if you can, please be specific. thanks for the help and insight, and thanks again for coming. we’ll be seeing you soon.
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Tue, September 30, 2008 - 4:42 PMCan you make the drive out there not as long next year?
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Tue, September 30, 2008 - 5:06 PMI talked to more than a couple artists who didn't go this year because they weren't asked to play. even if the lineup is packed, comp tickets for other dope artists keeps anyone from feeling left out. I know none of them would say anything, so I thought I would. the other thing that kinda bugged me was hearing people drop tracks by other artists on the lineup, often when the artist is standing in the crowd waiting to play. (saw someone drop a track by the artist playing the time slot immediately after him) I'm sure it's no big deal and most artists take it as a compliment, but theres plenty of other tracks out there. kinda lame.
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Thu, October 2, 2008 - 9:37 AMdid you know that even the volunteers and organizers who worked all weekend (and the many months leading up to the event) to make the weekend happen paid for their tickets? There's not a ton of "comp"ing at these events.
Just FYI
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Thu, October 2, 2008 - 3:17 PMyeah, i'm kindof curious what giving comp tickets to djs who aren't even playing does, other than reinforce the status quo, especially when the plebs have to pay, regardless.
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Thu, October 2, 2008 - 4:07 PMhmmm... I guess I stand corrected.
but I still feel like it's a little unbalanced when some artists are paid XXX dollars plus a ticket, while other, equally dope artists are not invited to play and expected to pay XXX dollars for a ticket. i guess some artists are plebs...
personally I'd be happy to pay a little more for a ticket so volunteers don't have to. and I suspect tickets would still be sold out three weeks before anybody reminds me to buy one.
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some participants are more equal than others?
Fri, October 3, 2008 - 4:49 PMi can definitely appreciate your sentiment.
a bottom line for performers would be cool . . . and fair. [though i'm not in a position to be "the decider" so's this is just all sayin' sayin', yo.]
i guess i just don't see how _being_ a performer who isn't performing should mean getting a free pass while others are scrambling for tickets. no one's rich, here, and these guys work hard to put this event on, so why play favorites like that?
remember the days when you had to scrounge up some cash to go to a cool party? performers should keep having to do it for parties they're not playing at, i say. why? keeps ya connected to the party-goers, among other things.
i guess i'm also just saying that . . . viiiiip is weak.
~e.
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Thu, October 2, 2008 - 10:24 AMWhat an epic event. Thank you all again for continuing to blow my mind with each event you produce. Priceless 2008 was no different. My only suggestions are these:
For a weekend festival, I prefer when the festival doesn't have any schizophrenia about whether it's a daytime or nighttime event. LiB does a particularly good job at this: they rock it out all day and into the early part of the night, but then everyone sleeps. Priceless has great stuff going all day and night, and it's hard to choose what to miss! It's a high-class problem to have, I know, but the reality is that I felt like there was a small drop in energy on Saturday night right after Seuss because most of the people seemed to be waiting for their favorite music to start at like 1:15AM. I wonder if simply reorganizing it so that people's favorite artists played earlier would have helped, leaving the (seemingly) less popular music for the late night?
My only other minor nit-pick is that, at one point on Saturday night I wanted a change of pace and went over to the "chill" space (you know, the place with the 100BPM speed limit sign) and finding PsyTrance. Loud, hard, and fast beats that were anything but chill. Perhaps the second area shouldn't be called a "chill" stage and should just be an "annex" stage? Still, I'd rather it be truly chill and know that there's always a retreat from the madness.
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Thu, October 2, 2008 - 1:50 PMI think that the ladies should serve us breakfast topless.
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Thu, October 2, 2008 - 8:20 PMWow buddy, this is a campout not a frat party...the gentlemen will have to earn that toplessness, ideas ladies?
I would have to agree with those details, although there are always the general ideals and ideas that are perfected by those details.
And to the ticket/money issue, I see no problem with it so long as everyone feels they got their part, so those that didn't should up the effort to make their needs/wishes fulfilled, while those that have earned more VIPness maybe take a little less or uses their status to help more people. Seems to be a human nature that more is never enough, but with more power comes more responsibility as the great spidyman movie says...
Love Love Love Love Love that's something that should really be given easily and I gained (improved?) from priceless :)
Let's fix this issues and move on up, thank you all for your time and love, can't say it enough and will share it even more
Matthew
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Fri, October 3, 2008 - 7:16 PMhey miranda... i will get ladies to serve you breakfast topless if you play us a jumpup jungle set topless. just an idea. let me know what you think. -
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Sat, October 4, 2008 - 10:34 AMYOU'VE GOT YOURSELF A DEAL, BEN.
But I'm gonna paint 'em.
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Fri, October 3, 2008 - 12:10 PMach, yeah... we know it's a lot to try to make it to :) there are pros and cons to this plannning for both day and night events--thus far we've erred on the side of offering a diverse array of activities, so that people will be happy no matter whether they're day or night partiers. and we assume people will prioritize based on their preferences.
hear you on the saturday night timing issue-- we had a small dilemma this time around, since sunset was an hour and a half earlier than it would've been in july. we pushed the suess party up by an hour to compensate, which we totally wouldn't have done if it wasn't for the issue of the sun. we'll keep the thoughts on main stage line-up energy in mind for next year, don't worry :)
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Sun, October 5, 2008 - 2:32 PMI had a great time this year... but I definitely think the music in the main tent could have been more upbeat... it didn't seem to get "going" until 2am on Sunday morning. Then EPROM set the night on fire. The music before was nice, but it was often more chill than the "chill tent". Maybe this was the design, I'm not sure... -
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Mon, October 6, 2008 - 2:31 AMhmmm... didn't seem overly chill to me... were you there for RD and Mimosa? Jay? uh, as far as i could hear, Friday was bangin'!
there was definitely a lull on saturday evening, and i do believe that next time starting the music from chill to grand DURING or right after the evening social event (in this case, seuss) would maintain a more consistent energy flow for the event.
otherwise, thanks for a great event! the sound was STUPID. stupid good. wow.
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Mon, October 6, 2008 - 3:54 PMer... you heard psytrance?
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Mon, October 6, 2008 - 6:55 PMmaer, you must have been sleeping on the job with your radar gun turned off. -
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Mon, October 13, 2008 - 2:54 PMnote to benchun: need to reconfigure the Rane mixer with the BPM counter/taser device for next year.
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Mon, October 6, 2008 - 1:17 PMBefore I go any further, I want to make sure y'all know what a good experience I had this year- I felt very well taken care of and attended to and I thought everything sounded great and the lineup was mega-sick. Myriad props and thanks. :)
That said, while I was only there from Saturday night on, just looking at the schedule it looked like the balance programming-wise was a little better on Friday than Sat. I loved much of the music (Elliot Lipp- yowsah!) but myself and MANY others found ourselves wandering from the chill tent wanting something a bit more lively, only to find more of the same, or (ironically enough) blasted by really abrasive sounds in the wee hours. Quality music or not (and it all was), this proves very frustrating.
I am aware that at certain events, there is obviously a common thread that is unique to each one, and that, basically, it is just not possible to please everyone. And in the end, if the general steez musically isn't to someone's liking, perhaps they should consider that before coming out. That's fair enough as far as I'm concerned.......however, from a Libran Devil's Advocacy point of view, when taking into consideration the lineup AND the way its programmed, organizers are wise to keep in mind the general demographic and also that their own tastes and preferences are not necessarily mirrored by said attendees..........
I know, it's tricky. My range of friends is exactly like my range of musical interests- all over the goddamn place, and frankly, it can be a bitch sometimes. Many of you reading this fall on one side or the other of what I'm talking about, and lest we pretend the elephant chilling in the living room is imaginary, let's go there for a second: No matter which end of this little see-saw you fall on (some, though, are also in the middle, I know), let me be the first to tell you- you are not as open-minded about music as you think. And to whoever smiled at that, guess what- I'm talking to you, too. Take it from the Unintentional Double Agent: I strongly recommend that no matter what your preferred BPM range is (if you have one, that is), take a good, honest look at WHY you really feel the way you do about it.....you may be surprised at what turns up (or maybe not). Just a thought...... Look, I don't like getting hit over the head with 130+ bpm house/electro/breaks/whatever ALL NIGHT LONG. It's exhausting. Similarly, when I find myself at multi-system events and there is more than one (or worse, all of them) blasting downtempo, "glitch hop", or dubstep at the same time- for hours- I'm bored to tears after a while.
Lots of people were murmuring about this sort of thing during and after this weekend. And again, trust me- some/lots of you were on one end of the argument or the other. To those people, I say this: I agree with all of you. I also wanna say: Maybe try not being so fucking snobby and biased about your musical druthers- not everyone likes the shit you and your friends like, and one is not better than the other. *That is directed to ALL of you.* (Yes, you too.)
Nothin' but love, though. Really.
I know this thread is supposed to be for feedback for the organizers, and I know I rambled (sorry) and went a little beyond that, but I feel like this subject inevitably brings up things that need addressing where attendees are concerned, too. I wouldn't feel so inclined to pipe up if I didn't have a view from squarely in the middle- a place which can be both amusing and lonely. This particular elephant in this particular room is ready for it's close-up.
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Mon, October 6, 2008 - 4:58 PMmoz,
thanks for bringing this up. let's try and turn it into feedback for us organizers ;)
we work really hard at trying to create a product for a large customer base, diversifying the type of music when booking the event (which is hard enough) and work even harder at creating a schedule with these acts that we book that allows us to create a seamless pleasurable experience for all members of the breaks scene demographic that we serve. this turns out to be impossible.
we feel proud that we can give just about everyone within the breaks demographic a taste of what music they most enjoy (within certain over-arching standards set by fp).
but with this comes the challenge of fitting diverse bpm acts into a comprehensive schedule. its not as simple as placing 10 glitch hop and dubstep djs in a curve giving the most hyped acts the "best" slots. that's much easier, terribly formulaic, painfully uninteresting and uninclusive to our friends in the community who have more diverse tastes.
as a result we are forced to ask oursevlves some questions:
when do you put on the high bpm tunes, when the slower ones? as far we can tell there is no formula and therefore no way to please folks -
there are the upbeat music lovers who say "the music was so slow before 3am when the fast breaks came on, that i didn't bother to stay awake because i was so bored" or those who say "everyone was changing their clothes, napping and eating dinner early in the evening, why did you put the most upbeat music on then? there was nobody on the dancefloor!" and those who argue "at 4am, i need something lively to keep me dancing until dawn, not more slow stuff" and those who say "why so upbeat in the late night, try something more calming and soothing." "more dubstep!" "i hate dubstep!" "i love hobo palin-core only from 2:13-4:32am!"
you get the picture.
in the end, we rotate the music, so that different people are happy all of the time and hope that perhaps some people will break the mold and have fun dancing to music that isn't their current favorite brand. this will never work, but its a nicer ideal to live by than to *fully* buy into the well marketed, over-hyped musical style of the month.
so if anyone out there does have the magic formula that pleases everyone all of the time, please share your treasured wisdom. otherwise, we'll do our best booking and scheduling all sorts of acts that all sorts of people will enjoy with beats ranging from 80-130pm. -
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Mon, October 6, 2008 - 5:02 PMDude, whats wrong with Hobo Palin-Core? ;) -
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Mon, October 6, 2008 - 5:14 PMmoz, hobo palin-core only properly attunes with our root and crown chakras at 3.13am, and even then only under certain moon phases AND if the dancefloor is at least 2/3 female and 1/16 republican-libertarian.
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Mon, October 6, 2008 - 5:21 PMless robot tweak, more fidget hizz please. srsly. -
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Wed, October 8, 2008 - 12:20 AMthe selectors should be able to play for the crowd and the atmosphere given...it's not rocket science... <>>>?>>???>> (or is it?)
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Wed, October 15, 2008 - 1:19 AM"please try to respect my taste in music, so that i too can enjoy my community's parties."
no disrespect meant to anyone.......but as far as 'anyone', again, i was addressing BOTH SIDES.......we should all respect one anothers tastes
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Tue, October 7, 2008 - 6:56 PMhaha that really did feel like it was directed to me. Oh Robert I just gotta say that theres nothing wrong with figuring out exactly what type of music you like and focusing all your energy on that sound. It doesn't make you a hater, just specialized. Thats why priceless is dope to me, because there aren't many other festivals emphasizing the music i'm into. Everyone is entitled to there own preference ya know?
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Tue, October 7, 2008 - 3:21 PMSo, here's my question regarding this topic:
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Mon, October 13, 2008 - 2:02 PMLet me start off by saying that I didn't go to Priceless this year. Sorry.
My 2 cents as an artist...
I don't see how an artist not asked to play by the promoter(s) should be comped a ticket. If you are not on the lineup or contributing in some way to the overall well being of the party and it's attendees, why should you not pay like everyone else (just attending). Especially in light of people who actually physically and or mentally spent time, energy and their own resources didn't get comped.
I was going to go, but unfortunately the reschedule didn't fit in with my job. I bought a ticket and was hopefully going to pick up some time on the open decks portion of the evening.
I didn't think twice about purchasing it. I'm sure if I'd have asked around I could have swung a freebie. Maybe. Regardless, free tickets are at the promoters discretion. It is what it is. It's all a matter of perspective and how you choose to look at it.
But it's really annoying throwing parties so everyone can get in free and you just have to suck it up out of pocket.
See you next time.
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Tue, October 14, 2008 - 9:48 AMwe try and not book music that is objectively terrible.
we also don't allow psytrance (although it seems like some people try and sneak it in when our stage managers walk away).
or happy hardcore.
that sorta thing.
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Wed, October 15, 2008 - 1:09 PMstephen - i feel ya on those guidelines . . . though i guess what i'm angling in on is . . . techno?
i've gotten the feeling like there's a blanket ban on it, but maybe i'm just crazy.
but, i am serious . . . does fp like techno? i've been wondering for a while, now, 'cause it's something i personally would love to see included in the future, but if it's out of the realm of what you guys dig, that's totally different.
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Wed, October 15, 2008 - 11:26 PMi'm not sure where techno falls.
definitely would mean that we're stretching out of our safety zone.
could be worth the experiment.
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Thu, October 16, 2008 - 12:29 PMtechno falls into the realm of things that are awesome! [says the already-converted . . .]
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Thu, October 16, 2008 - 2:00 PMi don't think anyone's *against* techno, per se. it just doesn't seem to be the thing that moves [some of] us on the dancefloor at the moment. i've tried it sporadically, and i like some of it, but it's not a thing that holds my dance together for hours at a time.
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Thu, October 16, 2008 - 2:04 PMthere's this guy down in sb... gonna try and bring him up but you should check out jis mix on myspace... his name is danny mesa but i think he used the moniker danny massacre for this one... anyways, ghettotech wishes it was baltimore, the rabbit rocks as long as it's killed every now and then, and dubstep makes me wish it was dnb...
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Thu, October 16, 2008 - 2:40 PMorange! i can convince you to like techno, i promise!
come to kontrol, and you'll see what i've been going on and on about. [haven't i been bugging you about this? ^_^]
oh man, and you should've been there when they had speedy j, in fact. your shit would've been owned so hard . . . i still get this bubbly feeling in my tummy when i think about how good that show was.
also, there's a show happening at the mezz this weekend that'll fit the bill as far as suggestions go . . . kontrol is hosting m.a.n.d.y., and all of their residents are playing. pretty much a good primer on what's been happening techno-wise in the city these days.
also, you want listening homework? i'm down.
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Tue, October 21, 2008 - 8:11 PMerin, i admit to fail. i've been promising you attendance for months.
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Wed, October 22, 2008 - 9:52 AMsome call it minimal-
me, i call it simple ;)
when is the next Kontrol party at the End-up-
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Wed, October 22, 2008 - 1:47 PMactually, it's the first saturday of every month. [peep kontrolsf.com for infos, and they have an email list.]
also, they throw quite a few parties that aren't their official monthly.
orange - kontrol is ALL things techno, not just the minimal. that's why they're so great. they're equal-opportunity techno lovers. their residents are amazing [you want djs to book? start with those guys], they always ALWAYS bring in amazing headliners, they throw a mean MEAN renegade [like warehouse parties never died, yo], and they bring in a far more diverse crowd than i've seen at ANY other sort of electronic music show.
it's pretty much teh lurve.
shit, kontrol should be paying me to talk them up like this. i don't even personally know any of those guys, and i super <3 them all.
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Wed, October 22, 2008 - 2:15 PMAn act to check out: Monocle
profile.myspace.com/index.cfm
They're from SF and do live PA techno. They played a kontrol party just recently. Very gut.
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Wed, October 22, 2008 - 3:59 PMI couldn't agree more with you Erinn.
Have been introduced to this crew a while ago and really got to hang out with a couple of them Kontrol guys after we all ended up at an after hour place(conveniently close to the End-up) and i gotta say, i was impressed.. not only by their dj skills, but more so by the diversity of peeps they attract. Hangin out with them peeps really felt like being back in the days.. needless to say i had to put in a personal day that following monday..hehe
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Wed, October 22, 2008 - 4:04 PMnow _that's_ an endorsement.
hot. damn.
also gotta put in a second on the monocle. those guys rock, and they're way nice.
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Thu, October 16, 2008 - 4:46 PMjust make sure the beat has been sufficiently broken.
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Wed, October 22, 2008 - 4:20 PMi'm all for adding some more minimal techno to the chill stage.
thanks for the monocle link.
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Thu, October 16, 2008 - 4:23 PMit's true that techno does not resonate with FP. and it likely will not until someone infuses it with hip hop lyrics or simpsons samples (joke).
i've snuck some minimal techno and dubtechno onto the chill stage the last two years (one performer in particular).
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Thu, October 16, 2008 - 5:08 PM*cough*mrprojectile*cough* -
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Thu, October 16, 2008 - 5:10 PM*cough* playing at adaptor (annie's social club) with benchun tonight *cough* -
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Fri, October 17, 2008 - 11:01 AMSICK!
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Fri, October 17, 2008 - 11:02 AMoh, oh, and FAIL.
just realized i'm a day late.
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Wed, October 15, 2008 - 6:33 PMwhy? there were psytrance parties before we ever hit the city, and there will probably still be psytrance parties after we're dead. other people already do that, and it's got a very specific feel, a very specific scene. which can be fun, for sure, but you already know where to find that. hopefully what we're doing with false profit is bringing a unique mix and style.
and personally, i'm down with that giant whale art car that drove on to the dancefloor of the psytrance camp next to us at burningman in 2003.
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Mon, October 13, 2008 - 3:03 PMi would like to settle the "more dubstep!/i hate dubstep!" controversy once and for all with a compromise that will satisfy both sides:
next year will feature a dedicated dubstep stage. the DJ booth will be located in the center of the road on hwy 70.
Dear Dubstep DJs: caveat emptor.
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Mon, October 13, 2008 - 5:04 PMMaybe you need more interesting dubstep...
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Re: Priceless 2008: What could we improve for next time?
Thu, October 16, 2008 - 4:24 PMor perhaps more not-dubstep...
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Mon, October 13, 2008 - 9:53 PMi lurve you, maer, with all of my hater-ass heart. -
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Fri, October 17, 2008 - 12:03 PMMore techno/tech house please.
It really gets the dance floor moving. Trust me.
More upstep, less downstep.
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Fri, October 17, 2008 - 1:23 PMDirt - Dustin makes pretty bangin techno and I don't really even like any straight 4 music.
And, dubstep is cool for a few songs. It can be really cool in a glitchy midtempo set if done well... Any set with no sense of tempo change gets monotonous. -
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Fri, October 17, 2008 - 2:07 PMdubstep will be good when they start manufacturing quaaludes again.
until then, i submit that it is a genre that's come 25 years too late.
=)
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Sat, October 18, 2008 - 6:25 PMAnother matter of perspective. Or the other good saying for time like this... Something 'bout opinions being like assholes... -
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Sun, October 19, 2008 - 4:34 PMI believe so. Donkeys got big teef for one. I'm a fan of big teef, as are a growing demographic within the community. Plus they can not only be entertainment vis-a-vis the rides, but they can haul gear back and forth down between stages, campsites, the river-wherever stuff needs to go. I know come Sunday, lugging gear to and fro really is a drag. For a donkey it's something to look forward to. Quite the utilitarian beasts of burden donkeys are, hmmm. -
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Wed, October 22, 2008 - 1:04 PMPlease see to his return.
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ahhhhhh!!!!!!
Mon, November 3, 2008 - 1:26 PMmonday afternoon giggles thank you all very much indeed
my ass will be priceless, i'm thinking 2009
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